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On Confucius, Death, and Wisdom of Ecclesiastes - Green Funeral (Rev. Luther LI)
Message by Rev. Luther LI. 15 May 2022
傳 道 書 Ecclesiastes
8:8 [hb5]
無 人 有 權 力 掌 管 生 命 、 將 生 命 留 住 . 也 無 人 有 權 力 掌 管 死 期 . 這 場 爭 戰 、 無 人 能 免 . 邪 惡 也 不 能 救 那 好 行 邪 惡
的 人 。
[kjv]
There is no man that hath power over the
spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and
there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that
are given to it.
《论语》:先进篇
Extract from Analects
季路问事鬼神,子曰:“未能事人,焉能事鬼?”,曰:“敢问死。”曰:“未知生,焉知死?”
11.12 季路问事鬼神,子曰:“未能事人,焉能事鬼?”曰:“敢问死。”曰:“未知生,焉知死?"
[11:12] Chi Lu asked about serving the
spirits. Confucius said, “If you can't yet serve men, how can you serve the
spirits?”
Lu said, “May I ask about death?” Confucius
said, “If you don't understand what life is, how will you understand death?”
His famous
or infamous saying of Confucius
has poisoned the thinking of many Chinese down the ages just like the passage about studies:
[11-23] 子路使子羔爲費宰。子曰。賊夫人之子 子路曰。有民人焉、有社稷焉、何必讀書、然後爲學。子曰。是故惡夫侫者。
[11:23] Zi Lu
got Zi Gao installed as Prefect of Bi. The Master said: “You are damaging
someone's son.” Zi Lu said: “There are people and
there are national altars (to be administered). Why should it be necessary to read
books to be regarded as learned.” The Master said: “This is why I don't like
glib people.”
Confucius said, “If you don't understand
what life is, how will you understand death?”
This saying is like escapism is like ignoring the ultimate possibility
of men in this life everything is
under the rule of probability e.g. before crossing a road the probability of being run down by a
vehicle is in theory 50:50
when taking a test/exam the
probability of pass: failure could
be 50:50 but there is one thing which is NOT under
the rule of probability what is it?
傳 道
書
Ecclesiastes
9:5 [hb5] 活
著
的
人
、
知
道
必
死
.
For the living know that they shall die:
Death is certain all of us know nothing about the
future what happening in the next
minute? No one can tell no one can be 100% certain
But ALL of us can be 100% certain about
this in future: unless the Lord returns
in our lifetime all of us will die
sooner or later
So this ‘trash’ saying of Confucius must
be rectified:
☹☹☹☹☹☹☹☹未not
yet 知knowing生life,焉how
can知know
死death?
☹☹☹☹☹ ☹☹
😊😊😊😊😊未not
yet 知knowing死death,焉how
can知know
生life?
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Not knowing the meaning of death how can we know the meaning of life? 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
We Christians DO know the meaning of death
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
腓
立 比
書 Philippians
20 [hb5]
照 著
我
所
切
慕
所
盼
望
的
、
沒
有
一
事
叫
我
羞
愧
、
只
要
凡
事
放
膽
.
無
論
是
生
、
是
死
、
總
叫
基
督
在
我
身
上
照
常
顯
大
。
[kjv] According
to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but
that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my
body, whether it be by life, or by death.
1:21 [hb5]
因
我 活
著 就
是 基
督 、
我 死
了 就
有 益
處 。
[kjv] For to me to live is Christ, and to die is
gain.
1:22 [hb5] 但
我
在
肉
身
活
著
、
若
成
就
我
工
夫
的
果
子
、
我
就
不
知
道
該
挑
選
甚
麼
。
[kjv]
But if I live in the flesh, this is the
fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
1:23 [hb5] 我
正
在
兩
難
之
間
、
情
願
離
世
與
基
督
同
在
.
因
為
這
是
好
得
無
比
的
.
[kjv]
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having
a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
1:24 [hb5] 然
而
我
在
肉
身
活
著
、
為
你
們
更
是
要
緊
的
。
[kjv]
Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is
more needful for you.
1:25 [hb5] 我
既
然
這
樣
深
信
、
就
知
道
仍
要
住
在
世
間
、
且
與
你
們
眾
人
同
住
、
使
你
們
在
所
信
的
道
上
、
又
長
進
又
喜
樂
.
[kjv]
And having this confidence, I know that I
shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;
1:26 [hb5] 叫
你
們
在
基
督
耶
穌
裡
的
歡
樂
、
因
我
再
到
你
們
那
裡
去
、
就
越
發
加
增
。
[kjv]
That your rejoicing may be more abundant
in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.
3:7 [hb5] 只
是
我
先
前
以
為
與
我
有
益
的
、
我
現
在
因
基
督
都
當
作
有
損
的
。
[kjv]
But what things were gain to me, those I
counted loss for Christ.
3:8 [hb5] 不
但
如
此
、
我
也
將
萬
事
當
作
有
損
的
、
因
我
以
認
識
我
主
基
督
耶
穌
為
至
寶
。
我
為
他
已
經
丟
棄
萬
事
、
看
作
糞
土
、
為
要
得
著
基
督
.
[kjv]
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but
loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I
have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may
win Christ,
3:9 [hb5] 並
且
得
以
在
他
裡
面
、
不
是
有
自
己
因
律
法
而
得
的
義
、
乃
是
有
信
基
督
的
義
、
就
是
因
信
神
而
來
的
義
.
[kjv]
And be found in him, not having mine own
righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of
Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
3:10 [hb5] 使 我 認 識 基 督 、 曉 得 他 復 活 的 大 能 、 並 且 曉 得 和 他 一 同 受 苦 、 效 法 他 的 死 .
[kjv]
That I may know him, and the power of his
resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto
his death;
3:11 [hb5] 或
者
我
也
得
以
從
死
裡
復
活
。
[kjv]
If by any means I might attain unto the
resurrection of the dead.
3:20 [hb5] 我
們
卻
是
天
上
的
國
民
.
並
且
等
候
救
主
、
就
是
主
耶
穌
基
督
、
從
天
上
降
臨
。
[kjv]
For our conversation is in heaven; from
whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
3:21 [hb5] 他 要 按 著 那 能 叫 萬 有 歸 服 自 己 的 大 能 、 將 我 們 這 卑 賤 的 身 體 改 變 形 狀 、 和 他 自 己 榮 耀 的 身 體 相 似 。
[kjv]
Who shall change our vile body, that it
may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby
he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Because I understand the meaning of
death I know the meaning of life I
know the purpose of life ie living for
the Lord glorify God and helping men
by fulfilling His will and plan for my life
Because I understand the meaning of death I have also made meaningful preparations for
my funeral and post-death arrangement:
Song
1 at my funeral
This is the day, this is the day這是日子 這是日子
that the Lord has made, 主你所定的
that the Lord has made. 主你所定的
We will rejoice, we will rejoice我們歡樂 我們歡樂
and be glad in it, and be glad in it. 在其中高興 在其中高興
This is the day that the Lord has made; 這是主所定的日子
we will rejoice and be glad in it. 我們在其中高興歡樂
This is the day, this is the day這是日子 這是日子
that the Lord has made. 主你所定的
Benefits of sea burial of ashes:😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
- Ø
FEHD providing free ship
transport to open sea
- Ø
FEHD free provision of petals
for throwing into the sea with the ashes
- Ø
FEHD free provision of
clean drinking water on board
- Ø
FEHD free provision of
sea sick pills
- Ø
10 min. for each
family
- Ø
FEHD free set-up of
remembrance web site for the deceased
- Ø Solving a very big problem of HKSAR: seeking land for buildings to accommodate the ashes most people hate such buildings near their homes
- Ø Offspring need not visit the site of the ashes the most important is we live in their hearts our lives inspiring them to love and follow the Lord